What then happens is a chorus of agreement on the History of Palestine page, so this good natured person goes to the discussion page on the History of Israel and announces this agreement. They then invite anyone to respond - on the History of Palestine's discussion page of course - before apparently planning to enact their plans.
The first time this happened I was perturbed. I looked at the History of Palestine and discovered it was really dull. It looked like a committee had written it (it has) and secondly you would find it difficult to realize that Jews had ever lived in "Palestine" from reading it. It was just a catalog of empires that had ruled "Palestine".
Then I checked number of hits http://stats.grok.se/en/201204/history%20of%20israel and http://stats.grok.se/en/201204/history%20of%20palestine : the History of Israel gets 3 or 4 times as much traffic.
What worried me most was the thought that they might be right. Perhaps the History of Israel was really just a propaganda page. I decided to consult an expert and sent an e-mail to Professor Benny Morris who is the Israeli historian I most admire. I didn't really expect to get an answer, but it seemed worth a try. To my surprise I got an answer within a few hours. He had read the History of Israel and skimmed the History of Palestine and thought,as I did, that they totally underplayed the Jewish connection to Palestine/Israel. He also thought that if they wanted to join the two pages they should call it The History of Eretz Israel - Palestine. That brought a smile to my face. I can only imagine the consternation that would cause them. He told me there were errors in the page that would be remedied by reading his book, Righteous Victims, but agreed that the Jews didn't suddenly disappear in the first century. He told me the introduction was a bit propagandish. I'd publish his letter here, but it seems rude. He didn't expect it to be published.
I told the History of Palestine people what he said and gave my opinion which is that there exist two parallel narratives related to Israel/Palestine, and that the best way to avoid conflict is for us each to tell our own version of the narrative. Otherwise we will just be at each others throat all the time. To some extent we are. The Israel-Palestine issue causes more conflict in Wikipedia then any other.
After that I avoided Wikipedia for about six months. In the mean time various editors changed the History of Israel. they completely re-wrote the introduction and entered details of what it was called at every stage. Under Moslem rule it was always a province of Syria and never called Palestine. Some of what they did was messy but some of it was good. At some point I noticed nobody was doing much so I went back in and fixed things up.
Recently the good people of the History of Palestine came back again. This time I told them that I thought it was their page that should be deleted (and then I ordered Benny Morris's book). I said "Palestine" only existed under the 30 years of the British Mandate and it is now part of Israel. Countries called Israel have existed in the past (during the Jewish revolts against Rome they called the country Israel). I pointed out that Hebrew dates back to at least 1000 BC and developed in Palestine/Israel. That Judaism is just as old and also developed locally. I didn't say it but Islam and Arabic are the religion and language of invaders. All be it long ago. They went away and so far haven't come back.
On Simchat Torah this year, it rained heavily for the first time in over six months. Hebrew has a special word for the first rain (Yoreh) and for the last rain (Malkosh), this was the first. Every year Jews read the five books of Moses in the Synagogues. They finish at Simchat Torah, which is the final day of an eight day festival, hold a celebration and then start again. In an article in Ha'Aretz, Israeli-Arab satirist Sayed Kashua quoted his father as saying that "it always rains at Sukkot". I suddenly realized that the timing of Simchat Torah - to coincide with the first rains - is no accident.
By the way, in case you're wondering, The Crusaders called the country Outremer: overseas.
What worried me most was the thought that they might be right. Perhaps the History of Israel was really just a propaganda page. I decided to consult an expert and sent an e-mail to Professor Benny Morris who is the Israeli historian I most admire. I didn't really expect to get an answer, but it seemed worth a try. To my surprise I got an answer within a few hours. He had read the History of Israel and skimmed the History of Palestine and thought,as I did, that they totally underplayed the Jewish connection to Palestine/Israel. He also thought that if they wanted to join the two pages they should call it The History of Eretz Israel - Palestine. That brought a smile to my face. I can only imagine the consternation that would cause them. He told me there were errors in the page that would be remedied by reading his book, Righteous Victims, but agreed that the Jews didn't suddenly disappear in the first century. He told me the introduction was a bit propagandish. I'd publish his letter here, but it seems rude. He didn't expect it to be published.
I told the History of Palestine people what he said and gave my opinion which is that there exist two parallel narratives related to Israel/Palestine, and that the best way to avoid conflict is for us each to tell our own version of the narrative. Otherwise we will just be at each others throat all the time. To some extent we are. The Israel-Palestine issue causes more conflict in Wikipedia then any other.
After that I avoided Wikipedia for about six months. In the mean time various editors changed the History of Israel. they completely re-wrote the introduction and entered details of what it was called at every stage. Under Moslem rule it was always a province of Syria and never called Palestine. Some of what they did was messy but some of it was good. At some point I noticed nobody was doing much so I went back in and fixed things up.
Recently the good people of the History of Palestine came back again. This time I told them that I thought it was their page that should be deleted (and then I ordered Benny Morris's book). I said "Palestine" only existed under the 30 years of the British Mandate and it is now part of Israel. Countries called Israel have existed in the past (during the Jewish revolts against Rome they called the country Israel). I pointed out that Hebrew dates back to at least 1000 BC and developed in Palestine/Israel. That Judaism is just as old and also developed locally. I didn't say it but Islam and Arabic are the religion and language of invaders. All be it long ago. They went away and so far haven't come back.
On Simchat Torah this year, it rained heavily for the first time in over six months. Hebrew has a special word for the first rain (Yoreh) and for the last rain (Malkosh), this was the first. Every year Jews read the five books of Moses in the Synagogues. They finish at Simchat Torah, which is the final day of an eight day festival, hold a celebration and then start again. In an article in Ha'Aretz, Israeli-Arab satirist Sayed Kashua quoted his father as saying that "it always rains at Sukkot". I suddenly realized that the timing of Simchat Torah - to coincide with the first rains - is no accident.
By the way, in case you're wondering, The Crusaders called the country Outremer: overseas.